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2011-07-11T09:27:52.294-07:00

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I wrote the digital signage industry post that was...

2009-12-18T15:08:53.115-07:00

I wrote the digital signage industry post that was a bit of a catalyst for this post. I am glad to see Adobe people weighing in but I can't say I feel all that enlightened by this.

Emmy's comment is useful, but plain English, please ...

Thanks

Dave Haynes
www.presetgroup.com

Hi, The EULA and distribution agreement have not ...

2009-12-14T22:27:09.280-07:00

Hi,

The EULA and distribution agreement have not been updated yet. We don't have mobile builds posted anywhere since they aren't in beta.

If you check the date, the EULA is from Feb of 2008.

Also, keep in mind that Adobe may not be the ones distributing the player binaries. Through Open Screen Project, partners can license source for porting in which case the EULA does not come from Adobe.

Also note that OSP royalty free terms are for open systems with the goal of providing a consistent runtime for web browsing and applications. Closed systems do not qualify for royalty free licensing. If you have a question about whether your use case qualifies for OSP terms, you can contact OSP here http://www.openscreenproject.org/contact/

Thanks,
Emmy Huang
Group Product Manager, Adobe Flash Player

@John, Thanks for taking the time to address this....

2009-12-09T12:20:27.584-07:00

@John,
Thanks for taking the time to address this. Much appreciated.

From you recap, it sounds as though you can install the Runtime if the device goes to Adobe.com for the installation AND if the device has the ability to update the player.

That would make sense to me. However, I still don't think that is how the EULA reads:

"You will not use any Adobe Runtime on any non-PC device or with any embedded or device version of any operating system"

That line says nothing about distribution... plain and simple, you can not use the Runtime on a non-PC.

Sorry, I don't know enough to meaningfully rep...

2009-12-09T10:47:31.764-07:00

Sorry, I don't know enough to meaningfully reply... someone said they heard something from someone in Adobe Legal, and they paraphrased it. Hard to tell what was actually said.

I had seen a similar thread on digital signage the other day... different than your link. He doesn't clearly say what he wants to do, or who he mailed (asking what) at Adobe. Particularly as he's trying to decipher legal talk, it's hard for me to respond.

Anyone can install Adobe Flash Player from adobe.com. But to *redistribute* Player in your own device requires agreements with Adobe -- otherwise anything might get called "Player". The Open Screen Project doesn't require cash licensing, but does require certain capabilities such as the ability to update.

I do know that lots and lots of firms use Flash for digital signage, which lends further credence that this request had some other conditions attached to it.

Hard to tell though, among all those words, what the blogger wanted to do.

I'll forward these two posts to other people in Adobe, however.

jd/adobe

@yanli Have you ever heard the phrase, "Just ...

2009-12-09T07:17:47.352-07:00

@yanli
Have you ever heard the phrase, "Just because someone else is doing it does not make it right"?

Whatever Linux 'invented' has nothing to do with whether or not this practice is right or wrong.

Developers (aka The Basement) are wanting to start projects for these Open Screen Devices yet they are worried they are breaking legal documentation and could be sued.

Bottom line: Adobe needs to update their EULA or renege on their Open Screen Project.

There is nothing wrong. This is common business mo...

2009-12-08T23:29:32.151-07:00

There is nothing wrong. This is common business model that have been used for years. Linux and vendors invented this model.